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OTRTexan

OTRTexan

Member Since 13 May 2014
Offline Last Active Dec 27 2016 01:55 PM
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#41703 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 25 August 2016 - 10:42 AM

It's actually how I got involved. She was asking for lens advice and we struck up a conversation that lead to this point. So far I've only answered direct questions and have not once offered anything outside of that. She's young too which might make it even more delicate. So trying to tread lightly.


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#41678 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 24 August 2016 - 02:13 PM

I did track down her Facebook page, and she does pretty good portrait and senior photography. What she excels at imo is marketing herself. Well, except for the fact that she shows her before and after post processing examples. She relies heavily on post processing for lighting, but does a decent job of it.


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#41654 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 23 August 2016 - 02:39 PM

Just hope it gets a chance to play out. If not, I guess it made for entertaining discussion


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#41646 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 23 August 2016 - 10:12 AM

I'm sure the 7000 is capable of making great images. But since we are looking at 40x60 prints, I think the 810 would really shine. I'm going to message her in a day or two and see where we stand. Honestly I'm afraid if I offer to "train her" , she may back out altogether. I've offered advice without trying to sound like I want to take over.

I've been looking at insurance options for awhile now, simply because I have a substantial investment now. Just haven't made up my mind which way to go.


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#41644 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 23 August 2016 - 09:56 AM

Believe me. I share your thoughts fully. She is planning on renting an 810, but not sure it will help. Frankly I expect that if it does go through, that my images will make up the bulk of the used images. Most of the 35k will go to lab costs. My hopes would be, that even though I'd be getting the short end of the stick on this deal, that the customer will like my work and use me next time they need a photographer.


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#41622 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 22 August 2016 - 08:00 AM

I've only answered some of her rookie questions in the group. We haven't had any further conversation as far as the shoot goes. Frankly I think she may feel a little intimidated, and it may not go through. It's set for late September. I figured I'd give her a few days and then ask how things are looking. I made several comments about it being her show and I'd just be there to shoot backup, so I'm hoping that's not the case. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

That being said, I will be shooting a winter cattle drive in Oregon around November. This is not a paid thing, well, not a contracted one. Just met a guy in Oregon last week who cowboys up there and we got to talking. I'm actually looking forward to that more. I've seen Texas cattle drives all my life. I've always wanted to shoot one with snow on the ground. That one is a sure thing. Taking vacation time to go up and do it. Should be fun.


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#41605 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 21 August 2016 - 06:14 PM

Yesterday she was asking about a monopod, and someone mentioned if you use a 70-200, to be sure and attach it to the foot. What's a foot? She asked .... This is one of those cases of, it's not what you know, it's who you know.


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#41549 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 18 August 2016 - 10:47 AM

If it were a wedding, I agree, totally different. I would expect anything but a fee. And probably wouldn't be editing either.

I honestly think she is an amateur or semi pro at best, like myself I might add, and doubt she would even think of a contract unless I bring it up. Or if someone else tells her. I know my involvement would depend on what it would state if one is in play, and one should be, especially with the customer.


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The biggest pro to this arrangement is the possibility of some very high end clients. She gave them a rough estimate of $35,000. So it's a big ticket.


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#41538 Second shooter

Posted by OTRTexan on 17 August 2016 - 10:54 PM

Through the wonders of the internet, I may have the opportunity to be the second shooter on a cattle drive shoot for some very high end clients. After having about an hour long discussion, I quoted the photographer my fee. What wasn't discussed, and I'm not sure if she's even thought about it, is photo credits. I don't know what her actual photography experience is, and I know that her gear is only a partial indicator, but she's having to rent most, if not all, of what she needs. Her only body is a D7000. She's having to rent a 70-200. She has an 80-300 as her longest. That being said, she still may be a fantastic photographer. The client is looking to purchase 30-40 wall size prints (40x60), for their ranch house and 3 guest houses. So it's a very large contract. Needless to say, the fee is secondary to the possible contact. What I really want is my name attached to the images that I shoot, that they use. Is this an acceptable request as a second shooter? The client lives in an area that could very easily be within my base of operations. I'm certainly not going to try to take over this shoot or attempt to steal it away from her in any way. I'm just going as a second shooter hopefully. I gave her a profit percentage quote. But if the client uses a good number of my images, I don't want them to think she shot them. They will of course know I'll be there as she has to talk to them about letting me assist. As a secondary question, are watermarks used on these types of prints? Again, that could be a customer generator if their high end guests Ike the images.


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#41516 Your Best Photo, Week Ending 21 August 2016

Posted by OTRTexan on 17 August 2016 - 08:23 AM

I'll start, though don't have the exif with me right now. If someone wants it, I'll be happy to edit it in later. This is my soon to be puppy. He's not quite ready yet, but I stopped by for a visit.

Shot with the 810 and a 24-70.
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#41283 Your Best Photo, Week Ending 7 August 2016

Posted by OTRTexan on 07 August 2016 - 07:40 AM

I was shooting a rodeo Friday while visiting family. These were taken with the D5 and Tamron 150-600, which would not be my first choice for these types of shots. But, as they were shots of opportunity vs planned, you go with what you have. Sorry, I couldn't pick just one...

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#41067 Powered strobes

Posted by OTRTexan on 30 July 2016 - 03:37 PM

Ron, I think it would involve a lot of adjusting between events, or as much as I can as there usually isn't a lot of time. Like most sporting events, you can anticipate most of it. Most of the bull riding is in front of the shoots, roping, same thing but the other end, etc. The problem will be starting out with only a 4 light set. The image I posted in the weekly thing was just arena lights, so it's possible to get usable shots with available light. I want to increase my available light for when the arena lights are on a low cycle.

Ron, I'm pretty sure I won't need more than a 500w system. But I do want something with a decent recycle time. I looked at the Flashpoint ones, they appear to be battery only? I can't imagine they would last through a rodeo. I very well could be wrong.


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#41000 Your Best Photo, Week Ending 31 July 2016

Posted by OTRTexan on 28 July 2016 - 03:32 PM

Here's two variants on shots I took at the Mason Rodeo. I'm thinking of taking the neon one and making it into a window/bumper sticker type thing and selling it at the rodeos I shoot. It will need a little cleaning up, but people really seem to like it.

 

 Shot with the D5 and Tamron 150-600 @550mm. f6.3, 1/1250 and ISO 25,600.

 

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#40440 Opinions please

Posted by OTRTexan on 07 July 2016 - 09:20 AM

Peter hit what I was thinking when I did the quick edit...

Not that it will help you on this (although I'm sure you could get the individuals names if you had to) but there is an app for your phone called Easy Release that you can use if you want to in the future...


I think I have it on my iPad. I at least have something similar. I was thinking more of mounting it and selling it. I just think it's a great rodeo shot. Granted I'm biased slightly


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#40283 What advice do you have for shooting a hot air balloon festival?

Posted by OTRTexan on 01 July 2016 - 11:18 AM

I took my 15-30 and 150-600. The one I went to started before dawn, so most inflations were in the dark. For me, it felt like a lot of waiting around, then chaos. I think if I ever did it again, I'd try to make friends with one of the balloon teams and just focus on them to begin with. Then go wide when everyone starts launching. I tried to get too many and ended up getting very few shots I was happy with. I think I'd also take 3 lenses. My 15-30 24-70 and my 150-600. Careful when you set up a tripod. It was crowded where I was and mine was hit multiple times.


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