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[LSJ]

I just shot some test RAW photos with my new Z8. iPhotos recognizes the camera and generates thumbnails just fine. But, all uploaded photos have black thumb nails and when I click to enlarge them the screen is white with no content. If I Select a photo and select "EDIT" i get a message that the "File type is not recognized." Screen shots  enclosedAny thoughts? Thank you!

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[Merco_61]

What version of MacOS or iOS are you using?

Are you using iPhoto or Photos? They are two very different apps.

 

What NEF compression setting did you use in the camera?

 

The initial thumbnail is the one embedded in the NEF, after ingestion this is replaced with one generated by the app.

 

Being an early adopter often leads to having to shoot in raw+jpeg the first weeks, so you have the jpeg to edit until your apps support the new camera.

[LSJ]

Ventura 13.0.1

 

Using: Photos.

 

No compression.

 

Even shooting Raw+jpeg results in a black file. I can Import into NX studio then export as a tiff, then load into photos. But that really is a pain. The Z8 is amazing.....

 

Strikes me as Odd that Nikon wouldn't give apple the ing=fo they would need to process photos before release given that its a main creative platform for artists.

Thank you. 

[Merco_61]

Apple have probably had the SDK in reasonable time. If you are on 13.0.1, you will probably get support for the latest cameras by updating. Early November was probably before Nikon even distributed the SDK… Current version of Ventura is 13.4. The raw codecs are seldom mentioned in the release notes.

 

Why not use one of the lossless compressed formats? Ever since the D500, they have been bitperfect lossless and not only virtually lossless.

[LSJ]

OK！ I updated to 13.4 and that didnt help. But.....I selected lossless compression and the upload fine now! Thank you everyone. The Z8 is a beast BTW.....Loving it.....Just my 2 cents....I dont need video in a camera.....I wish my Z6 didn't have video and they put the money into AF. At any rate here we are 4k later and finally i have a camera that can focus on a bird in flight. Love it. 

[LSJ]

Actually, It turns out that I was only seeing the JPEG when I shot Raw+Jpeg. I just shot some RAW photos and, again, they load into Photos with no image. I can see the thumb nail but the main file shows nothing........I can load them into the Nikon app and then save as TIFFS and then put them in Photos but thats a painfully slow process. Any thoughts???

 

NIKON???? is there a fix in the works?

 

Thank you. 

[Ron]

According to this support doc I just found on the Apple Support website, your camera is not yet supported by Ventura or any version of iOS or IPad OS including iOS/iPadOS 16. In fact, even the Z9 is only supported when the files are lossless compressed. There's no way of knowing whether the problem lies with Apple or Nikon.

 

--Ron

[LSJ]

According to this support doc I just found on the Apple Support website, your camera is not yet supported by Ventura or any version of iOS or IPad OS including iOS/iPadOS 16. In fact, even the Z9 is only supported when the files are lossless compressed. There's no way of knowing whether the problem lies with Apple or Nikon.

 

--Ron

 

I am shooting RAW with Lossless compression......The Z8 is the exact same as the Z9. 

I guess I'll load them into the mac with Nikon Transfer 2 and then the ones I was to edit Directly into Luminar. Thanks again.

Actually, that doesnt work either! So I guess I spent 4k on a worlds best camera that I cant use in Raw mode on "the computer for creative professionals."

[Merco_61]

What makes you think that the Z8 and the Z9 raw files are identical? They probably aren’t as the Z9 didn’t get HEIF support when the Z8 was released. A NEF file includes so much more than just the straight capture from the sensor.

 

Being an early adopter always means compatibility problems as the world catches up to the latest technological advances. 

[LSJ]

My impression is that the Z8 is a Z9 in a smaller body....but, yes, technical details of files may differ....So, then the question is, What software on a mac can edit Z8 RAW files? Currently I use AFphoto and Luminar Neo. Thank you again.

[Merco_61]

Thom Hogan has this list up on his site.

Z8 Manuals and Software | Thom Hogan

It is still a very short list and all software except NX Studio are only for rent. 

[Ellinor William]

RAW files from new camera models often require updated RAW file support from software applications. And, if updating Photos app or installing RAW file support doesn't resolve the issue, consider trying a different photo editing or management application that has built-in support for the Nikon Z8's RAW file format. Applications like Adobe Lightroom, Capture One, or Photoscape X are known to handle RAW files from various camera models effectively on mac. 

[Ron]

I am shooting RAW with Lossless compression......The Z8 is the exact same as the Z9. 

I guess I'll load them into the mac with Nikon Transfer 2 and then the ones I was to edit Directly into Luminar. Thanks again.

Actually, that doesnt work either! So I guess I spent 4k on a worlds best camera that I cant use in Raw mode on "the computer for creative professionals."

It really doesn't matter if the Z8 is just a mini Z9. Until Apple decides to flip the switch (or whatever it is they do) it's not supported. I'm sure Apple is aware of the problem and will be fixing it in an upcoming update, but until they do, you're going to have to live with the options that are available. And, the fact that you're trying to use Apple Photos pretty much limits your options.

 

I see, from the list that Peter pointed to on Thom Hogan's site, that most -- if not all -- of Adobe's software is compatible (provided you're running the latest versions of their software). The fly in that ointment is that you'll also need to be sure that your computer's OS is up to date. This is probably also true of the other applications as well. Welcome to the bleeding edge.

 

--Ron

[LSJ]

I switched to lightroom which seems far better for cataloging photos. Also, it uses Luminar Neo as a plugin so best of both worlds. Thanks everyone!

[Ron]

Lightroom comes with it's own idiosyncrasies. Trust me, I know.

 

Since you're just starting out with the app, now is a great time to give some serious thought to how you want to use Lightroom's extensive image database system. There are whole libraries of books, and hundreds of YouTube videos devoted to setting up and maintaining Lightroom catalogs. I would suggest that you at least look through some of this stuff before delving too deeply into Lightroom. It can get very messy if you're not careful. And, once it does, it can be a real pain to fix.

 

Don't misunderstand. I'm not dissing the application. I have it and use it on a number of machines. It's great software... once you get the hang of it. Lightroom Queen is a good source of information and support. However, as I said, there is dozens (thousands?) of others.

 

If you find that you'd rather not deal with Lightroom's database system, Adobe Bridge and Photoshop offer the same image functionality minus the database.

 

--Ron

[Merco_61]

The best book I have read about setting up a photo catalog without making a mess later is Peter Krogh’s The DAM book. The DAM Book 3.0 - The DAM Book

One problem with Lightroom is that it is so easy to add keywords. This will sooner or later lead to having similar words in use, making it easy to miss what you are looking for.

[fallout666]

recall this Z8 is new and not all or maybe not been updated to read the photo's adobe can right out start.